Ramona Africa (adult survivor of '85 event): says police fired at Move members as they tried to escape the burning house

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interview with father of son in fire of Move: 10 yrs after wife (right after divorce) ran away with him. one of 2 survivors. Birdie Africa - couldn't read or write, only eaten raw food, afraid of adults, never played with children before, had never seen money,  told his father that move made the children fight with one another until blood was drawn - called it training. Father helping him transition into the real world - taught him to read, transitioned to real food, set up play dates with real kids, invoke feeling of being a normal child, see changes when he wanted skateboards, asking to go out and hang out with friends, named mike ward not birdie. attended public high school, played football. move members contact him sometimes, mike not interested in talking with them, father says he's not afraid of them. now married with his own children.  

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